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- I refuse to commit my thoughts on The Office finale to this journal.
- Turned in my application to Kohl's today. Hopefully, it will be beneficial.
- Also got a bunch of grad school papers in the mail. Yay mommy. Filling them out and will turn them in soon. Wooo.
- And now for some potentially offensive discussion:

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Thoughts? No wank please.

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Interesting... I have that thought sometimes. Mostly... I don't know. I find that the most banal thing will take off as long as two very pretty boys have the potential of being slashed. It doesn't bother me, but it's totally not the same for girl pairings. I know the arguments (straight girls want to read/write about boys, etc.), but I don't always buy them completely.

The thing I have trouble with is when bi/lesbian girls are the ones writing/reading the yaoi fic obsessively. Certainly, there are a few who follow the characters, but there has to be some sort of subconscious (or even conscious) draw to reading a story free of female genitalia.

See, *that* I don't understand. I have a hard time writing boy slash, not because I don't like men, but because I understand women better (I hope). So, it's totally alien to me to not want to write a female character. It boggles my mind.

I do think there's some... inherent denial or... confusion at least, at play when you have someone of female sex (assuming they are of the female mental gender as well) avoiding what is, to a certain degree, themselves.

Yeah, I guess there is. And I wish I could get into these writers heads because it would be fascinating to see what they were striving for in their stories. Not to reflect what they know or can impart to a certain reality, but to completely enter a realm they can't hope to understand?

I know I have a few yaoi readers at least (and one or two writers) on my flist, and I hope they come in here and discuss. I really am curious how they view what they're involved in (wow, that comes out sounding negative, but...)

Yeah. I'm not put off at all by boy slash, obviously. I read it and when it's good, duh, I like it. But I do wonder about people who stick to it exclusively. (And don't get me started on the people who say, outright, ewwww, girl parts. That just maddens me.)

I've read and written boy slash too. When its good, I agree. *strokes chin*

Shall have to find some brain to pick.

I agree with the secret so I'm not offended. I feel that you write whatever the fuck you wanna write and whatever you feel turns you on, so if you're into yaoi/guy-on-guy action so be it. Write/read it to your heart's content. Just don't shudder at the though of femslash, its obvious counterpart. To each her own, people. Embrace the vagina.

I originally included a note that the original poster should have considered including yaoi fangirls who don't even like het on there.

Because, I can understand not liking femslash (fear or it, or whatever) but if you're straight/bi and you can't stand the thought of man/woman sex...

or if you're bi/lesbian and you can't stand the thought of woman/woman sex...

I think there's a larger issue at hand.

Very very true. I'm glad I haven't yet encountered women like that. It's like being in denial of who you are as a woman, or just the mere fact that you're female. There's definitely an inner hatred at play there. Probably an idealization of masculinity and the inherent misogyny that tends to go along with warped images of male identity... seeing femininity as a weakness.

Like I said above, I really hope someone can like, explain it to me.

Cause obviously we have no idea how these people think, other than like.. supposing.

HAHAH.

I read both.
Girl porn (unless your writing it) is never especially hot.
You know how easy i am for you

Can I pick your brain about it?

Cause, like, I know you read a ton of maleslash, and, do you have favorite authors, or is it just... like, the characters that make it hot... or...?

Admittedly, for me, writing style is a huge component. Many of the writers in femslash have zero talent, but. Anyways. I'm curious!!

I only read m/m if its good writing. I will start one if i like the pairing, but if its shitty writing i get the hell out.
I tend to have favorite writers, who can make me feel things when I read them.

I can give you a list. a lot of the ones I read, write different genres. and sometimes femslash

Ill try to get a little more detailed, since you are curious.
When the writing is good, I like reading m/m.
It’s funny because when I write stories, I only write f/f or, sometimes, m/f.
As a woman, and a lesbian I know more about the sex b/w those two. I mean, I know the gist of m/m relationships, But I have never a) had anal sex, or b) have a penis.
I don’t really *hate* vagina or anything, but I think if I could I would be male. I feel more male than female, but I don’t feel it enough to be trans. I like having sex with women, as much as I like sex in general. Which is not a lot actually.
But I think the attraction to m/m, in reading it, is the same in watching it. I tend to watch gay porn because a) I think its hotter and b) lesbian porn scares me. With m/m fanfic, I am inherently reading the characters I like, or the ones I think are gay.
For example, take Xander. I always thought Xander should have been the gay character. So reading him with Oz, who is my favorite male character in Buffy, seemed hot. Now, looking for that pairing is not as easy as say, Spike/Xander. There are so many people that write them, and like 1 percent of them are any good. But with Oz/Xander, I have one website I go to, and one author I read over and over. The sex scenes are hot, but so are the regular ones. Some even seem like they could have happened in the show.
I also tend to ship, least likely characters. In HP, I like Ron/Draco, cause I hate Harry, and I think that pairing is retarded. But in HP, there are so many femslash options. You have Ginny/Luna. My favorite is Ginny/Tonks. There is one author I LOVE MORE THAN LIFE who writes HP.
I think the sex is hotter most of the time, I like that they can make men hot, but also because if it’s a good writer, make them relatable. But they don’t make them sunshine and roses, or “women.”
Anyway, there is my long answer of why.

THANK you. I'm very indebted to you for this.

you can pay me back in sexual favors
<3

I don't necessarily think they're in denial about their gender (depending on what, exactly, that person means by in denial) but I think there is a lot of female hatred in these likes and dislikes which people don't even notice because it's on such an unconscious level it's practically invisible to them. So they say things like, "Oh, there are no interesting female characters" or "I just like boys, thanks" and that's not actually all that's going on beneath the surface.

Also, I love that picture.

THERE we go. You got at what I was trying to say. Thank you.

Maybe not denial, but self hate at some level for sure. It always really upsets me.

Agreed.

Just so you know, I started writing a really long response to this and it's already on page two of word. It's made me think a lot and I'm trying to sort all the rambling back out so it sounds clear, but I'll let you know when it's done. ;)

I have a lot to say, and I'll probably edit over and over again to make sure it makes sense, and that I don't say something I don't really mean. I've never had to put words to my opinion on this before (I didn't know I had an opinion in the first place), but I want to share it with you. I might wind up emailing you a paper later.

I'd really like to hear what you have to say.

So, no, it's not too late.

*hugs*

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Dude, its long

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Is it too late to comment on this?

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