coffee with edna (1:25:19 AM): I think what I'm most concerned with are when there is a well rounded show and - I think [info]escritoireazul commented to this effect? - women are watching and can't find a single woman to identify with, either on that show, or on any... and either because of that, or in spite of it, they focus on the men because the men are more interesting (whether this is actually the case or not - which is ANOTHER issue) which leads to male slash, or male slash "goggles" leads the other way...

What I meant when I was saying that is that is the excuse of many fans, that they don't write girl slash or het because the women just aren't interesting. Any women. In any source material. And I think that says more about them, and their internal hang ups about women, than it does about the presentation of women in media. Because yeah, it often sucks, but if you can find men to like, you can find women to like, too.

I really want to engage in this conversation more, but I am currently too pissed to be polite, and so I am going to stay away. I think a lot of it has to do with the current conversation going on in Supernatural fandom, but when your ex-roommate said that she was more forgiving of male characters because it's a guy thing, I saw red and just have to back away. Because that's one of those phrases which makes me think there are more issues than just the availability of women in the source material.